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Less Ottawa · Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:38 pm

Sorry Gord S., but I cannot let this stand without clarifying for Albertans what is really happening within your party. In the last 2 days, the following allegations have been made by the various leadership campaigns against each other on this thread alone:

1. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of making a threatening phone call in which he stated that he would cross the floor to the PC's if he lost the leadership campaign. Hinman has not denied this call.

2. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of being misinformed, rambling, and farther to the left than the NDP.

3. David Crutcher's campaign accused Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes of rigging the Edmonton leadership debate.

4. Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was forced to defend her integrity in a lengthy post. In that post she accused the Crutcher campaign of making an outright false statement.

5. David Crutcher's campaign made a second allegation that the leadership debate was rigged in favour of Paul Hinman.

6. David Crutcher's campaign lodged a formal complaint with the Alberta Alliance, alleging that Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was biased, and in conflict of interest regarding her role on the leadership committee of the party.

7. In her reply to the Crutcher complaint, Eleanor Maroes alleges that the Crutcher campaign used false pretences in the original complaint, in that they had wrongfully included Marilyn Burns as a party to the complaint. It would appear that Marilyn Burns had never given permission to the Crutcher campaign to include her name on the complaint.

In addition to this Gord S., David Crutcher's campaign manager, Craig Chandler, made a threatening statement to you ("what goes around comes around"), called you a liar, and accused you of making false statements about him on Free Dominion.

I suppose a certain amount of infighting is to be expected in any campaign, but honestly, would you not agree that Albertans should be entitled to something better than this from a party that likes to falsely portray itself as God's gift to democracy. I have never seen such a bunch of immature, backstabbing, nonsense in all my life. Nothing compares to this pathetic display.

All I can say is you're lucky the MSM is pretty much ignoring your party. Most Albertans will probably remain unaware of the type of people you have in your party, and come the next election, the Alberta Alliance can hypocritically spew the usual nonsense about Alberta being a one party state, the PC's being corrupt, etc. All I have to say to you is this: if the Alberta Alliance behaves like a banana republic government in its internal affairs, how would an AA goverment run the province?

Don Leo · Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:10 pm

GoTedGo wrote:

Sorry Gord S., but I cannot let this stand without clarifying for Albertans what is really happening within your party. In the last 2 days, the following allegations have been made by the various leadership campaigns against each other on this thread alone:

1. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of making a threatening phone call in which he stated that he would cross the floor to the PC's if he lost the leadership campaign. Hinman has not denied this call.

2. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of being misinformed, rambling, and farther to the left than the NDP.

3. David Crutcher's campaign accused Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes of rigging the Edmonton leadership debate.

4. Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was forced to defend her integrity in a lengthy post. In that post she accused the Crutcher campaign of making an outright false statement.

5. David Crutcher's campaign made a second allegation that the leadership debate was rigged in favour of Paul Hinman.

6. David Crutcher's campaign lodged a formal complaint with the Alberta Alliance, alleging that Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was biased, and in conflict of interest regarding her role on the leadership committee of the party.

7. In her reply to the Crutcher complaint, Eleanor Maroes alleges that the Crutcher campaign used false pretences in the original complaint, in that they had wrongfully included Marilyn Burns as a party to the complaint. It would appear that Marilyn Burns had never given permission to the Crutcher campaign to include her name on the complaint.

In addition to this Gord S., David Crutcher's campaign manager, Craig Chandler, made a threatening statement to you ("what goes around comes around"), called you a liar, and accused you of making false statements about him on Free Dominion.

I suppose a certain amount of infighting is to be expected in any campaign, but honestly, would you not agree that Albertans should be entitled to something better than this from a party that likes to falsely portray itself as God's gift to democracy. I have never seen such a bunch of immature, backstabbing, nonsense in all my life. Nothing compares to this pathetic display.

All I can say is you're lucky the MSM is pretty much ignoring your party. Most Albertans will probably remain unaware of the type of people you have in your party, and come the next election, the Alberta Alliance can hypocritically spew the usual nonsense about Alberta being a one party state, the PC's being corrupt, etc. All I have to say to you is this: if the Alberta Alliance behaves like a banana republic government in its internal affairs, how would an AA goverment run the province?

Very Good GoTedGo

Why don't you come out so people know who you are

Everyone else has been up front

Gord S has been up front every knows who he is

Eleanor Maroes used her real name

Craig Chandler uses his name

You know who I am because you said I am on David's team

Stop hiding and say who you really are.

Don't be scary

Craig B. Chandler · Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:47 pm

GoTedGo wrote:

Sorry Gord S., but I cannot let this stand without clarifying for Albertans what is really happening within your party. In the last 2 days, the following allegations have been made by the various leadership campaigns against each other on this thread alone:

1. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of making a threatening phone call in which he stated that he would cross the floor to the PC's if he lost the leadership campaign. Hinman has not denied this call.

2. David Crutcher's campaign accused Paul Hinman of being misinformed, rambling, and farther to the left than the NDP.

3. David Crutcher's campaign accused Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes of rigging the Edmonton leadership debate.

4. Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was forced to defend her integrity in a lengthy post. In that post she accused the Crutcher campaign of making an outright false statement.

5. David Crutcher's campaign made a second allegation that the leadership debate was rigged in favour of Paul Hinman.

6. David Crutcher's campaign lodged a formal complaint with the Alberta Alliance, alleging that Interim Leader Eleanor Maroes was biased, and in conflict of interest regarding her role on the leadership committee of the party.

7. In her reply to the Crutcher complaint, Eleanor Maroes alleges that the Crutcher campaign used false pretences in the original complaint, in that they had wrongfully included Marilyn Burns as a party to the complaint. It would appear that Marilyn Burns had never given permission to the Crutcher campaign to include her name on the complaint.

In addition to this Gord S., David Crutcher's campaign manager, Craig Chandler, made a threatening statement to you ("what goes around comes around"), called you a liar, and accused you of making false statements about him on Free Dominion.

I suppose a certain amount of infighting is to be expected in any campaign, but honestly, would you not agree that Albertans should be entitled to something better than this from a party that likes to falsely portray itself as God's gift to democracy. I have never seen such a bunch of immature, backstabbing, nonsense in all my life. Nothing compares to this pathetic display.

All I can say is you're lucky the MSM is pretty much ignoring your party. Most Albertans will probably remain unaware of the type of people you have in your party, and come the next election, the Alberta Alliance can hypocritically spew the usual nonsense about Alberta being a one party state, the PC's being corrupt, etc. All I have to say to you is this: if the Alberta Alliance behaves like a banana republic government in its internal affairs, how would an AA goverment run the province?

A lot of misinformation here! It sems you take a little truth and twist it for you own purposes. Everyyhing you posted has some truth and then you blow it out of proportion.

Typical Tory lies!

It is one thing that Gord an I etc... figt it out in a nomination, but when it is all over we will stand united as one!

I will defend Gord as he is one of my own to an outsider like you. We can fight as we are family.

The AA will bury the APC's soon enough.

Craig B. Chandler

Craig B. Chandler · Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:49 pm

Gord S. wrote:

I attended the Edmonton Council meeting tonight.

They were going over the checks and balances in place to ensure a fair election. Because I have been involved in many elections both on the candidates side + as the person running them, I gave a few suggestions that were supported.

The first was that the firm collecting the "mailed in" ballots would count them as they put them in the locked ballot box. A letter will be provided with "the count" so when the ballot boxes are opened, the scrutineers can verify that a ballot box was not "stuffed" in transition.

The second was even though it is a preferential ballot, there was still the possibility of a tie. Therefore, one member will not be given a ballot originally; they will only vote if there is a tie. This will ensure that a clear winner can be announced at the convention â€“ rather than holding a whole new election (with associated costs)â€¦

The details of everything to ensure a fair election will be announced. But from what I heard, it appears there should be no suggestion of an unfair election result by anybody.

Gord,

We are satisfied with what is happening related to the ballots.

Craig B. Chandler

Less Ottawa · Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:05 am

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Everyyhing you posted has some truth and then you blow it out of proportion.

How'd I do that?

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It is one thing that Gord an I etc... figt it out in a nomination, but when it is all over we will stand united as one!

Does this mean that Paul Hinman is staying?

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The AA will bury the APC's soon enough.

As an Albertan, I can't tell you how excited that makes me feel!

(To FreeAlbertaNow: That last sentence was sarcasm.)

Craig B. Chandler · Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:15 am

Gord S. wrote:

Craig B. Chandler wrote:

Gord S. wrote:

The second was even though it is a preferential ballot, there was still the possibility of a tie. Therefore, one member will not be given a ballot originally; they will only vote if there is a tie. This will ensure that a clear winner can be announced at the convention â€“ rather than holding a whole new election (with associated costs)â€¦

Gord,

We are satisfied with what is happening related to the ballots.

Craig B. Chandler

Craig,

Marilyn Burns was at the meeting; Brian from Hinman's office was in attendance. Both agreed this was a viable plan...

Since the constitution does not cover what happens "in case of a tie", the committee (I was not a voting member) decided that Mr. Gamache would not get an initial ballot.

It was hoped that the other two candidates would agree with this to ensure a second "run-off" campaign would not ensue. The possibility of a tie vote is a longshot - but the costs / headaches of a second campaign benefits nobody. And it best to plan for all situations in advance.

I hope that when Crutcher is officially contacted for his support, that you will give your endorsement...

Just so I understand.

The members vote and then we do at the convention ONLY if there is a tie?

Craig B. Chandler

JackIsBack · Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:17 am

Just for fun can someone remind me what happened during the Klein leadership campaign? I remember headlines like membership fraud and such, and what ever happened to the runner-up?

tanpro · Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:31 am

The allegations of fraud in the process of the PC leadership campaign were shown to be nothing. Betkowski's camp tried to point the finger at Ralph's team. No prove at all was ever discovered. In fact, as the leadership vote got close, some of the big name supporters for Betkowski started to drop off the radar - giving some speculation that maybe something was afoul in the Betkowski camp - again, no proof.

JackIsBack · Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:36 am

tanpro wrote:

The allegations of fraud in the process of the PC leadership campaign were shown to be nothing. Betkowski's camp tried to point the finger at Ralph's team. No prove at all was ever discovered. In fact, as the leadership vote got close, some of the big name supporters for Betkowski started to drop off the radar - giving some speculation that maybe something was afoul in the Betkowski camp - again, no proof.

Exactly - but that was my point, during all leadership contests - things get said and s*** happens, but in the end the party pulls together. Betkowski did leave for the Liberals.

tanpro · Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:47 am

...which illustrates the eternal conservative headache: leftwing Tories and rightwing Tories all in the same boat rarely survive. It seems frighteningly easy for some 'cons' to switch political stripes and cross the floor.

Betkowski changes her name and attempts to reinvent herself as a liberal? Might fly elsewhere, but not here. Bye bye, MacBeth(kowski)

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